Planning A COVID Ski Trip And Breaking Down New Credit Cards!

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Ed Pizza: Hey, guys, welcome back to the Miles to Go podcast. If you missed out on last week's episode, I had Gilbert back on with me from God Save The Points. And we were talking about how certain organizations are trying to work through the COVID problem. And we talked about Delta flights and how Delta was working with local governments and airports to allow for the one in a million shot of catching COVID on a plane with extra testing and stuff like that. You also talked about new rules in certain countries where if you can prove that you had COVID, you can actually enter certain countries. So, a small list right now, Iceland, Hungary, but plenty of good stuff in last week's episode. We're still talking about how travel looks right now. I like trying to bring you guys real life examples.
So, we're going to talk a bit today about a ski trip that a friend of mine planned recently. She's going to give us some feedback on what it's like on the slopes for folks that are thinking about that as we start to get into the thick of ski season. And we're also going to break down the Wyndham Rewards Earner Credit Cards, our sponsor for this week's episode. My buddy, Jen, from Deals We Like is on the show with us for both of those things today. And we're going to dive into both the personal cards and the business cards.
She's definitely more of a focus on the personal side and I'm more of a small business card side. So, we're going to try and give you guys some of the positives and negatives of both of those cards here. Okay, but we're going to start with really sort of digging into your ski trip a little bit, Jen, because I am curious, we haven't gone skiing yet. I know the kids want to go this year. And it feels like... Again, I don't want to use air quotes in normal... The normal air quotes every single episode, but it feels like this is one of the more normal things somebody could do right now.

Jen Yellin: I couldn't agree more. I mean, I think outside activities is way better than inside, especially me being up in New England and people being very conservative with what activities they do. You can make skiing 100% outside, and that's what my family did. There are lodges, there are requirements and restrictions, but we truly just stayed on the mountain and we felt so safe. We were up in Vermont and Vermont on the map is one of the, I don't know, "safer areas". Cases are less than most other places in the country and restrictions are very, very heavy and they're scrutinized. So, we felt very, very safe being up in Vermont.

Ed Pizza: Yeah. And so, you guys went to Stowe, right?

Jen Yellin: We went to Stowe.

Ed Pizza: Yeah, I haven't been to Stowe. We've been to some other places up in Vermont. I guess first things first, what I've heard a lot from folks who are starting to get out there and talk about skiing is that reservations are required. Was that the case when you guys went to Stowe?

Jen Yellin: Yeah, so Stowe along with almost every mountain I've looked into, even the local mountain down the street for me, that you have to buy tickets in advance. And they're capped based on the size of the mountain and how many people are typically on the mountain. There's definitely capacity controls, which is a good thing. Lift lines can be long. So, having less number of people on the mountains and everything kind of being contact-less is great. So, you make your reservations in advance and you might find that the date you want is not available.
I do think, right now for at least on the East coast and Stowe specifically, there is plenty of options and dates available. If you have the Epic Pass, then you can go ahead and make, I believe it's off the top of my head, seven days in advance. So, you can have seven open reservations at any given time. And then you can make reservations as many times as you want, though for the week leading into the time you're looking to go skiing. But if you're just looking to buy a one day or two day pass, you just want to buy those in advance.

Ed Pizza: Yeah, and I would imagine that the process of waiting in line for the lift is already pretty spaced just based on the length of people's skis. So, you don't have much of a problem there I wouldn't think, right?

Jen Yellin: Right. There weren't you go into a store and you see the six feet signs of stand here and then the next person stands six feet behind you. You don't see that on the ski lifts, because you're also on snow and that just wouldn't work. But by the nature of what your skis look like, you're about six feet away from one another. And masks are 100% worn, 99.9% worn, I'd say. And people are very respectful of one another. The problem with the ski lifts is that you can't be sitting next to one another. So, let's say it's a quad and you're a family of two, only two people are going be going on that ski lift. They're not going to fill that ski lift with another family of two people.

Ed Pizza: Yeah, and so I suspected that that was probably one of the requirements. We had heard that that was the way it was down here in... Well, we live in Virginia, but Pennsylvania is where we have the closest ski mountains. But I'm curious, did that cause the lift lines to be particularly long for you?

Jen Yellin: At Stowe, it actually did not. We went during the week leading up to the Christmas week. So, we were there in a very much an off peak time period. So, because of that, the lift lines were very short. I mean, we were going up and down no problem. I will say we went a few days later at our local mountain and the lift lines were very long. So, I really think it depends on the time of day you go, if you're going to go on the weekday or the weekend. If you can swing it, go during the week. You're going to find it to be a much more pleasant experience, which is kind of always the case when you go skiing or anything. That's very popular for the weekends. The goal is to not have to wait as long as possible. And so, being able to find those lifts and maybe getting away from the main lodge and going to other parts of the mountains, that will definitely make your experience that much better and not have to wait in line.

Ed Pizza: Yeah. And so, you mentioned at the outset that there were restrictions on the lodges, and that's probably... Our daughter definitely deals with anxiety on a general basis. And germs is one of the things that's a trigger for her. So, part of what I thought about with a ski trip this year was that she would struggle with any sort of a lodge environment. Did you happen to know what the restrictions were at Stowe on how to get into the lodge? Or was it closed? What did you guys find there?

Jen Yellin: Sure. So, I did go into the lodge quite quickly just to kind of see what was going on for my own knowledge. It's a reservation system, so you'll want to make reservations in advance if you're there during a peak day. For us, it was as off-peak as can be. And so, no problem. We could go make a reservation and they give you a 30 minute time period. And I did see them going around and saying, "Okay, 30 minutes are up," and kind of trying to get people out as quickly as possible. So, that wasn't so bad. I mean, the lodge at lift, it's gorgeous. It has really high ceilings. Like you definitely feel spacious. It's not one of these cramped spaces at all. So, I can tell they're putting a lot of time and effort at Stowe and I'm sure many of the other mountains to make people feel as safe as possible.

Ed Pizza: Yeah, and I'm kind of a sissy when it comes to the cold. So, the ability to get inside and warm up is pretty high on my list for any sort of a ski day. And I don't think I'm going to be buying a ski-in/ski-out chalet anytime soon. So, the there's definitely an attraction to being able to go inside to to a lodge, but we're not doing anything indoors right now, just our comfort level. Like we're not doing indoor dining or anything like that. So, it does still make me a little bit nervous. I guess if there's one element of a ski trip right now that would give me some pause, it would be that. It's like do I really want to hang out in the lodge?

Jen Yellin: I understand, and I also think that's why picking the day you go is important. Don't go on a day that's five degrees then. Go on a day that's 35 degrees. That might actually sound cold to you in Virginia, but for us up in New England, 35 is a wonderful day. You can spend all day outside. I do know at Stowe, they put many heaters up. So, right at the village, which is at the base, there's a lot of seating. There's tables out. There's heaters that come in. I mean, I was sweating. It was hot with that. So, it was very comfortable. I saw many people eating outside at the fire pits, warming up that way. At our local mountain here, I saw space heaters all over the place. I saw solo stoves around. So, they're really trying to make it comfortable to be outside as much as possible.

Ed Pizza: Yeah, I mean, based on everything you've said, I do think that we'll probably try a ski weekend or we may just do it as a drive away and and not try and stay overnight, because we do have a couple that are within driving distance. But it definitely sounds like it's reasonable enough as long as you can get through the sort of like the lodge logistics.

Jen Yellin: Yes, I do think the lodge logistics are truly going to be the hardest for everyone, especially with young kids. Like I saw with my kids, even last year and past years, it's great to go skiing for an hour and a half. Go inside, get a hot chocolate. Then go back outside for an hour and a half and breaking up the day that way. And that's what's going to be slightly challenging.

Ed Pizza: Yeah. Yeah, I agree. Well, that's why we need like million dollar ski chalets. We just need to work on that.

Jen Yellin: Yes, count me in.

Ed Pizza: All right. Well, let's pivot to talking about the Wyndham Rewards Earner Cards, and just a brief aside for folks who are listening in, as I mentioned at the top of the show, the Wyndham Earner Cards are sponsoring the show this week. You've got some great giveaways for listeners. Wyndham Rewards has given us 10 Wyndham prize packs where you can get free diamond status for a year, which is their top tier status. Jen and I are going to talk about that here in just a bit. And you also get 15,000 points, which is enough for either one or two nights at a whole slew of properties. So, plenty of good stuff there in the giveaway, and we're super thankful to the Wyndham Rewards and Barclays folks for sponsoring the show this week.
And as we dig deeper into the cards, I've obviously been approaching things from the small business side of things, Jen, but you're certainly more the typical personal card user. And so, part of having you on this week was to really needle in on these two cards. It's a new portfolio of cards. And so, at a high level, you've got two different personal options. One that doesn't have an annual fee and one that does. And I know you're great at being able to take these things apart. And I'm going to ask you at the end which one you prefer, but before we get there, let's talk a little bit about what the differences are between the Earner and the Earner Plus Card.

Jen Yellin: Sure. So, as the name describes, the Earner Plus card is the one that comes with the annual fee, which is $75 a year. The regular Earner Card has no annual fee. So, that is one difference, $75 right then and there on the surface. But one way to really justify that $75 annual fee is that the Earner Plus Card, you'll receive 7,500 points on every anniversary. So, every time you pay that annual fee, you're going to get another 7,500 points. With a Regular Earner Card, that extra 7,500 points will only be awarded to you if you spend $15,000 on your card. And that's a lot of money, that's well over a $1,000 a month to spend on the card.

Ed Pizza: Yeah. For sure. Yeah, and you mentioned something to me, just to sort of give folks an idea of how far 7,500 points might stretch. You had mentioned to me that you guys had a great ski trip last year where you actually stayed at a Wyndham property. Did you use points when you stayed or did you pay?

Jen Yellin: No, we used points. We were staying at the Wyndham Park City. And when we were there over, I think it was in January or February, it was probably a $400 or $500 a night hotel room that we were able to use points for. So, it was awesome. And since it was one of their timeshare properties, I think all our most timeshare properties are a flat 15,000 points per night per bedroom. So, we were able to book a one bedroom suite for just 15,000 points right on the side of the canyons mountain out in Park City.

Ed Pizza: Yeah, I never skied in Park City, but I've been up there during ski season and then also during the summer and it's beautiful up there. As you mentioned, with the rates being in that $400 to $500 a night range, that doesn't surprise me at all for an upscale ski area like that. So, when we think about this comparison here where you're paying a $75 annual fee for the Earner Plus Card, you're getting 7,500 bonus points just for paying that fee, setting aside anything you earn from the card. So, you're halfway to a free night at potentially a place like the Wyndham Park City where you stayed, which would be a huge discount to what it would normally cost to get a night there.

Jen Yellin: Absolutely. Yes, I definitely can't recommend that hotel enough.

Ed Pizza: Yeah.

Jen Yellin: Especially on points.

Ed Pizza: Yeah. And, so as you look at these cards, so you obviously have the annual fee comparison. Let's talk a little bit about signup bonus differences.

Jen Yellin: Sure. So, right now, as we speak, the regular Wyndham Earner Cards, that's going to give you 30,000 points after spending a $1,000 in the first 90 days, where the Earner Plus Card will give you 45,000 points after spending the exact same $1,000. So, that rate alone is a 15,000 point spread, which really gets you a free night at a tier two in their reward chart program, which is, to me, worth that $75 annual fee that you're going to be paying. Then on a earning's side, they'll get six points per dollar spent at a Wyndham with an Earner Plus. You'll get four points per dollar spent at restaurants and grocery stores, also at Wyndham timeshare properties, if any of you happen to consider one of those, and then a one point per dollar on everything else. So, this is higher than what you'll earn on the normal earner card. Not significantly, but definitely in my mind worth it if you're comparing the two and trying to go for one of the two cards.

Ed Pizza: Yeah. I mean, I think if we break it down and we take... Let's take the signup bonus and each anniversary year. So, if I pay my $75 annual fee after a year, I'll have earned an extra 15,000 points on my signup bonus, assuming I spent my $1,000. And if I didn't spend $15,000 on the card, I've also got the 7,500 bonus points on the anniversary year for the Earner Plus Card. So, I'm ahead by 22,500 points, which is three nights at the cheapest of the Wyndham properties at they're very flat reward chart, or a night and a half at potentially a place like the Wyndham Park that you stayed in Park City.
And I think I'd say from my standpoint, I don't have a ton of experience with Wyndham timeshares, but I did stay at one for a story that I was writing for the points guy last year down at Disney World. And I got to admit, it wasn't bad. I mean, I I don't think I'd buy into Wyndham timeshares because we're Disney Vacation Club owners, and I prefer their model. I'm not looking for another timeshare, but I was impressed with the room quality. I was impressed with the pools. Like given what it would cost me to book a room there on points, I think I'd get plenty of value out of it.

Jen Yellin: Right. I personally like it when traveling with my family, just because they're typically a suite. You get the full kitchen. And for us, for breakfast and even lunch, that can be huge.

Ed Pizza: Oh, for sure. And a couple of weeks ago, I had an executive from Wyndham Rewards on the show with us Eliot Hamlisch and we were talking. We were comparing notes on some of the more interesting properties. And Wyndham has this collection called the Trademark Collection. And I didn't know about the Trademark Collection back when I discovered this property called Magic Village down in Orlando. But it's part of this Trademark Collection, which are unbranded properties that Wyndham manages. And Magic Village still to me is, again, I know everybody's not a Disney fan like me, but it has to be one of the best values if you can find reward availability there, because for 15,000 points, it's a timeshare-ish kind of property.
For 15,000 points, you can sometimes get a three or a four bedroom luxury townhouse/condo within driving distance of both Universal and Disney World. For 15,000 points a night, you can have like a big family reunion.

Jen Yellin: Yeah, that's amazing. That's pretty good.

Ed Pizza: Yeah, it's on my list. It's not something I've... Not a property I've stayed at yet, but it's definitely on my list of trademark properties to consider. So, I think last thing to touch on here before we talk a bit about the business card is the status levels that folks get.

Jen Yellin: Yes. Right. So, the Earner Plus Card will earn you platinum status, which is their mid tier status. Typically it would take nine nights a year to earn that status. And the normal earner card, the lower level that doesn't cost an annual fee, you will get their gold level, which is their lowest tier level. And there's a slight difference. I wouldn't say it's a huge difference, I wouldn't say this is like one of the best mid tier statuses to have by any means, but platinum status will get you early check-in, late checkout, which can be helpful, especially that early check-in. That's something that's kind of unique when you look at many other reward programs and loyalty programs. And then you can also get a Caesars Reward Status Match if are planning on a Las Vegas vacation, that could come in handy.

Ed Pizza: Yeah, and I think that's where if there's one big differentiation between the gold and the platinum status, I think if you have any interest at all in Vegas, the ability to get that Caesars Reward Status Match is a big plus. There are definitely lots of interesting perks for the Caesars Rewards Status. To me, one of the best is that they waive resort fees. And so, you've got just exorbitant resort fees on some of the properties in Vegas right now. Sometimes the resort fees can be higher than the room charge. So, to be able to grab a $39 room and waive the $50 resort a fee, I think is a big plus for folks that go to Vegas on any sort of a regular basis.

Jen Yellin: Absolutely. Right.

Ed Pizza: So, on the business card side of things, and this is where, as a small business owner, I look at cards like this. I'm somebody who look for interesting bonus categories, if you will, because I have interesting spend. I mean, for a long time, we owned a dry cleaner, the company that I worked for. And we own a bunch of restaurants right now.
And so, when we've owned those companies, we have tons of utility bills, electric, gas, you name it. And this is the first card I can recall with a nice sizeable bonus for utility spending. And we're going to dig into all the details of the card, but the bonus on utilities was definitely the thing that first attracted me to this card, because it was just something new and unique. And I mean, Jen, you and I see a lot of the same categories popping up over and over, but I don't ever recall seeing a card that paid a hefty bonus on utilities. Do you?

Jen Yellin: No, I don't.

Ed Pizza: Yeah.

Jen Yellin: Usually it's just limit to like cell phone.

Ed Pizza: Yeah. And gosh knows we spent a whole lot more on utilities than we do cell phones. So, when we look at this card, the small business card, I think there's a few things about it that stick out to me and we'll start with the annual fee. As Jen said, the Earner Plus Card is a $75 annual fee. The small business card, the Earner Business Card, the annual fee is only $20 more a year. That's $95 for an annual fee and you get 15,000 bonus points every anniversary year with that. So, right off the bat, for an extra $20, you're getting essentially a free night at say like the ski resort that Jen talked about, the Wyndham in Park City.
Like right there is a huge value. You're not going to get a $95 a night in Park City. I don't know if you're going to get $95 a night at anywhere in Park City, Jen, and in ski season.

Jen Yellin: Know where'd you want to stay.

Ed Pizza: So, right now, the signup bonus for this card is the same as the Earner Plus Card. It's 45,000 points after you spend a $1,000 within 90 days. The earning on this card is a higher multiple on both Wyndham properties and gas. So, it's eight Wyndham rewards points per dollar on any Wyndham hotel stay. That includes, as Jen said, timeshares, but it's also eight points on gas, which I think is a really healthy bonus. And there are a few cards out there that have really good gas bonuses right now. But I also thought it was kind of funny when you talk about like the dining and groceries categories and the gas bonuses, as I said to Eliot from Wyndham a couple weeks ago, even though I'm sure they were planning these cards for the long haul, it's like they built the perfect cards for pandemic time with these gas and dining and groceries bonus categories. So, the other thing that this card adds, which I really like is it's got the 5X, five points per dollar on utilities that we talked about.
And it also carries another category see that we've seen pop up on other cards, which is five points per dollar on marketing and advertising. There are a handful of cards out there that offer this, so this isn't necessarily unique, but it's a nice to have in that if you're only going to have one small business card, I think these are three categories that a typical small business owner is likely to hit. So, you might not have to carry multiple cards, but you might find more valuable categories for marketing and advertising elsewhere, depending on which points you like. But I think it's a good combination of marketing, advertising, and utilities. And then sort I'd say like the last sort of hidden really good benefit for this $95 annual fee card is that it comes with diamond status. And Jen, I think you know the credit card landscape even better than I do. I think Hilton's the only one that offers top tier elite status in hotel chains via their credit card. Is that right?

Jen Yellin: Without any extra spending, that's correct.

Ed Pizza: Yeah. And look, I mean, Hilton Diamond is a great status to have, and I think there are a lot of benefits to Wyndham's diamond status as well on top of the things that Jen mentioned. Things like a late checkout or early check-in, the Caesars Rewards Status Match. Diamond status comes with suite when they're available and a welcome entity at check-in. So, these are nice to haves. So, certainly I still think that when you look at the landscape of hotel chains, are there, are there top tier statuses that maybe give you more in terms of suite upgrades or other things? There certainly are, but I think that diamond status holds its own, when you add on these things in terms of overall value, especially when you're talking about the fact that you're only paying $95 for this card to be able to hold a diamond status.
So, I think it's a nice way for somebody who doesn't travel a lot to be able to get a valuable status that they can use, especially if you're talking about a couple of family vacations a year where you want to use these perks. So, when you look at this card overall, Jen, in terms of comparing credit cards that can get you top tier elite status, I know you're obviously familiar with a lot of the hotel programs. Give folks an idea of how this compares to what they'd have to spend if they were to pick up the Hilton Honors Card that includes top tier diamond status.

Jen Yellin: Sure. So, what's kind of unique about this particular credit card, despite it being a business credit card, which can be harder to be approved for for some, is that for just $95, you can get that diamond status, which will get you suite upgrades and welcome entity all based on availability. And to get the similar top tier status, which is also diamond status at Hilton's, you'll have to have the Hilton Honors Aspire Credit Card. It's a personal card and it does cost $450. So, you're comparing $450, $95, which is significantly difference. With that being said, they do offer different benefits, aside with statement credits, and travel credits, and whatnot, but for just $95 you can automatically have your diamond status. And many times within the hotel industries, they try to one-up one another. And by having top tier status at one program could potentially get you top tier status at a different program if they're running any sort of promotions.

Ed Pizza: Yeah. And I think, to be clear, there is certainly some level of apples and oranges here, but I think the key point is is that while there are plenty of ways to find value in a credit card that has a $450 annual fee, I think there are lots of people that just don't want to carry cards with those high annual fees. And I hear a lot from folks who are families, maybe casual travelers, or they travel just a little bit throughout the year, that they don't want to hold a card that has an annual fee and have to make sure that they get all their value throughout the year on that. So, I do think that this has a good addressable fit at $95 for folks that just don't want to carry a high annual fee card in their wallet.

Jen Yellin: Absolutely. And you never know what the year's going to look like. Like let's look at this past year was people weren't getting the value in. Let's hope that COVID pandemics never happen again, but on your own personal side, you never know what the year brings. So, to have a card that you have to actually travel to reap the benefits can be challenging for some. And this will automatically get you those free night at the tier two for just $95 by earning those 15,000 points without actually having to step foot in a hotel room.

Ed Pizza: Yeah. I definitely heard from plenty of listeners who couldn't get those large fees waived this past year while they weren't able to use all the benefits of their card. Some folks did, no question, but it wasn't a foregone conclusion. So, for folks that don't want to hold a high annual fee card in their wallet, but still want those sorts of top tier benefits, I think this card is a really good addressable fit. And as Jen said, assuming you can qualify for a small business credit card, which can be harder to qualify for than a personal card. As we wrap up, Jen, is there anything that I missed that we should cover, that we should let people know about it? I think we covered most of the major basis.

Jen Yellin: So, we did, but one thing we want to talk about is that I think it's actually a big benefit of the card that we kind of missed out on is that all three cards will get you a 10% discount when you go ahead and redeem your points for a free night stay. So, instead of spending 15,000 points for that tier two, you get a 1,500 point break, which is significant and you can add up. The IHG card is the only other card off the top of my head that actually gives card members a discount when using points. So, that is one nice perk and it can give you a benefit right away.

Ed Pizza: Yeah, absolutely. And you're right, we definitely should have covered that. That's one of those really nice to haves in terms of stretching points out. And I think that that gets back to making sure that you've got the most value you can out of these cards when you're carrying them in your wallet. And as Jen said, especially in the midst of a pandemic, holding onto that card and not getting the value for the annual fees is sort of one of my cardinal sins. I always tell folks that you want to make sure you're opening your wallet up periodically and making sure that those cards are earning you the value that you're paying for them. Those annual fees don't just disappear. Jen, thanks a ton for coming on and, for one, helping me navigate what a ski trip should look like. And then also digging in to the Wyndham cards with me. Before I kick you out, tell folks where they can track you down,

Jen Yellin: Happy to talk to you at any time. You can find me at my blog, dealswelike.com. And then via any social media channels, anything @DealsWeLike, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram. You can find me or feel free to send me an email, dealswelike@gmail.com.

Ed Pizza: Awesome. Jen, thanks for being on. And I can honestly say I live very vicariously through you on the pictures on Instagram of you guys skiing over the weekend. It was awesome to see.

Jen Yellin: I'm glad. Thanks.

Ed Pizza: And a big thanks to Jen for catching us up on what it's like to plan a ski trip during COVID-19 and for helping me break down the new Wyndham Earner Credit Cards. I mentioned our giveaway earlier, but I wanted to bring it up again as we just added a couple new ways to win. A reminder, Wyndham Rewards gave us 10 prize packs to give away. That means 10 lucky listeners will win Wyndham Rewards diamond status for a year and 15,000 Wyndham rewards points. We added two new ways to enter the contest this week. On top of joining our mailing list, you can now also enter on social media and you can leave a comment on one of our articles. Check all that out at the link in the show notes and stay tuned for more ways to enter.
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